I'm just a whiny little cunt who wasnt there, so I dont know. I must admit to not liking the term "punk" that much, as far as music is concerned. I prefer "rock n' roll". It worked for Chuck Berry. I tend to think of "punk" as a fashion trend that happened for about 5 minutes 30 years ago and became attached to a number of rock n' roll bands. I could be way off base with that assessment. Like I said, I'm just a whiny little cunt who wasnt there.